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Re: maybe a bug? reduced minimal groebner basis is not right |
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Dear gepo, we call G a reduced Gröbner basis, if no term from tail(g) for any g ∈ G is divisible by a leading term of an element of G. Note also, that you cannot have normalized Gröbner bases in every case. For instance, the ideal <2*x> over Z cannot be simplified into <x>, because Z has no multiplicative inverse for non-units. For a brief description of Gröbner Bases over rings chapter 2 of http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jpaa.2008.11.043Best regards, Alexander
Dear gepo, we call G a reduced Gröbner basis, if no term from tail(g) for any g ∈ G is divisible by a leading term of an element of G. Note also, that you cannot have normalized Gröbner bases in every case. For instance, the ideal <2*x> over [b]Z[/b] cannot be simplified into <x>, because [b]Z[/b] has no multiplicative inverse for non-units.
For a brief description of Gröbner Bases over rings chapter 2 of [url]http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jpaa.2008.11.043[/url]
Best regards, Alexander
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:34 am |
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Dear Alexander, Could you tell a little bit more about what the conditions are for a minimal reduced Groebner Basis over ring?
I am not quite clear about that.
Thanks a lot.
Dear Alexander, Could you tell a little bit more about what the conditions are for a [color=#FF0000]minimal reduced[/color] Groebner Basis over ring?
I am not quite clear about that.
Thanks a lot.
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:21 am |
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Dear gepo, this does only apply to Gröbner bases of polynomials whose coefficient domain is a field. In your example, Z/8 (this is not the Galois field with 8 elements) is used, which is a proper ring (no field).
Regards, Alexander
Dear gepo, this does only apply to Gröbner bases of polynomials whose coefficient domain is a field. In your example, [b]Z[/b]/8 (this is [b]not[/b] the Galois field with 8 elements) is used, which is a proper ring (no field).
Regards, Alexander
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:53 pm |
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maybe a bug? reduced minimal groebner basis is not right |
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Hi, all,
I found an tricky problem: > ring r=(integer, 2, 3), (a,b,c,d,e,f,s),dp; > ideal i=f-a*b-a*c,e-a*d,d-b-c,s*(f-e)-4; > option(redSB); > std(i); _[1]=4 _[2]=e-f _[3]=b+c-d _[4]=ad-f
Have a look at the result, it is not a reduced minimal Groebner Basis! Because according to the definition of minimal Groebner Basis, all the coefficients of generators in GB should be 1. Here _[1]=4 which is not 1.
Any comments?
Thanks
Hi, all,
I found an tricky problem: > ring r=(integer, 2, 3), (a,b,c,d,e,f,s),dp; > ideal i=f-a*b-a*c,e-a*d,d-b-c,s*(f-e)-4; > option(redSB); > std(i); _[1]=4 _[2]=e-f _[3]=b+c-d _[4]=ad-f
Have a look at the result, it is not a reduced minimal Groebner Basis! Because according to the definition of minimal Groebner Basis, all the coefficients of generators in GB should be 1. Here _[1]=4 which is not 1.
Any comments?
Thanks
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:25 pm |
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